Beware of Nonconsensual Hypnopuppeteers

Can someone be hypnotized to do things against their will or best interests? Essentially, does nonconsensual hypnosis exist? Short answer, no. Long answer, yes . . . but.

Of course, regardless of whether or not there really is a workable form of nonconsensual covert hypnotic brainwashing there will always be idiots and evil dicks who keep attempting to hit that magick combination of words and phrases that cause others to surrender their wills and bodies and bank accounts.

Recently, on the Hypnosis Technique Exchange, someone posted a video link with no real description beyond “this is a very good relaxation hypnosis induction” . . . well, there are indeed hundreds of very good inductions out there that have been posted for folks to use for free (I’ve a LOT of free MP3s and the like hosted on this very site which thousands of folks have found beneficial over the years) . . . but . . . there are a whole bunch of videos (audio or video) out there that are actually mental malware or trojon horses which pretend to be for simple relaxation but are in fact intended to sap the listener of their will, their sexual values, their pocketbook, or more.

Sure, they don’t always work . . . most are laughable and fail miserably but that doesn’t stop the people who make them from trying – note, the technical term for these folks is dicks or any other expletive you care to use.

The file posted to the eXchange turned out to be just that sort of thing. It pretends to be a nice relaxation induction – and it does indeed use a pretty solid relaxation patter sequence – but it also has some rather dubious material within that reveals the operator’s nefarious purposes (yes, I said “nefarious”).

You can read my response on the eXchange at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypnosisTechniqueExchange/message/18191 and you can even view the induction in question below if you’d like to see how it’s put together.

I replied the way I did because Michael, the person who posted the video link, was questioning the decision to remove his original download link as some folks were concerned about it being malware. He’s upset that it was being blocked for malware while the piece had some rather spurious content, some rather nefarious content at that, yes there’s that word again.

Michael posted that his is a “relaxation” induction but he included hidden suggestions to cause people to respond to a “puppet” suggestion to him and he specifically asks them to send him private details.

Thus my reply:

Of course, the malware concern is not just about computer software since so many folks who put up “free” hypnosis inductions include inappropriate suggestions or have hidden or unscrupulous agenda at work.

Usually, folks are going to be much friendlier to a posting of this type IF the poster provides clear information about the files origin. As you just posted it without stating that you are the author or what the file does some folks might have some doubts about the legitimacy of the file or whether or not it has hidden suggestions that might be inappropriate.

The fact that your youtube account has only one video and no previous history might also cause some folks concern.

The installation and use of a trigger phrase along the lines of “puppet time for you” (ex. at 13:44 in the file) or “you will repeat and believe everything I say” (15_06) “the only thing you want to do, will ever want to do, is listen to my words, listen and repeat, listen and obey without thinking at all, listen and obey to me, a mindless puppet” etc. (18:11) in the induction isn’t going to allay the concerns of folks who suspect there may be a hidden agenda that is nonconsensual in the file as well.

Of course, the fact that you seed the induction with a hidden command for highly responsible individuals to send you their personal private date (25:45) – full name and gender, date of birth, and internet chat address or telephone number and a plea begging you for instructions to obey – might cause quite a few folks to feel that you’re being a bit more than a whole lot of a dick by posting what is ostensibly a “relaxation” induction that installs a trigger that “turns” folks into your mindless “puppets” and compels them to provide personal information without prior consent. I am sure you could see how some folks might see what you’re doing as a violation of trust, as an ambush, and as an out and out dickish thing to do.

If you labeled your file with full disclosure that it’s a hypno-slave induction there are probably a whole slew of folks who might actually wish to give it a go and those with no interest in such things will know to stay away. Instead you’re sending this out to a wide swath of folks hoping to ensare folks non-consensually.

You don’t properly inform folks of the nature of your video and you have your comments on the youtube set so that those who post warnings have to be approved.

I suppose, given all that you could see how that might be problematic and how folks might not trust you . . .

John’s original comment that you’ve never posted is a fair one . . . you’ve been a member of this group since 2004 and yet this is your first posting and it is one that violates the entire “informed consent” model of this yahoogroup.

I strongly encourage you to change the file description on youtube to be more forthcoming and in future to be more honest about what you’re about and what you’re up to.

Honestly, the original post was only approved in the first place because I mistook the email address as associated with the work of Terrence Watts as your email is the same as his web site address. I made a kneejerk approval as he often has excellent resources available. Had my finger not been quite so twitchy the original post would never have been approved . . . (there are only a very few folks whose material gets automatic approval).

I know most folks won’t fall for this sort of thing . . . and if they do go into trance and “read” his induction most folks would have cognitive dissonance and likely pop out and write some pretty nasty comments on his youtube page (which is probably why he has comments set for approval only so he can remove the ones that are critical and only keep the ones that are very positive), but there is a small percentage of folks who are both highly suggestible and susceptible to this sort of manipulation that he’s gunning for.

Feel free to check it out if you like but I’d strongly suggest not using it as a “relaxation induction” even though there are very relaxing patter sets there . . . mostly though the intent behind the induction is NOT simply to relax folks, there are nefarious purposes built into that sucker.

In fact, if you’re a Premium member of this site, you can view it right here:

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Do note that he’s set comments to approval only so if you call him out on the covert sections you’re probably not going to get anywhere.

Honestly, this is just one of many hundreds or even thousands of such files out there and most folks do not respond to them . . . unless they already have a fantasy of doing so and being honest about the nature of the file would at least allow that consenting audience to find it. However, while most folks don’t respond there is a small very very small percentage of folks who are both highly suggestible and who have personalty constructs that are easily manipulated. I’ve deprogrammed more than a few over the years or referred them to friends to work with them.

Sure, there can be some gray areas in adult recreational hypnoplay where hypnotist and trance partner are learning one another’s appropriate responses . . . but this sort of thing is clearly outside that bound, especially given the secretive nature of the file and a lack of clear description as to what it actually contains. I am most certainly NOT against hypnopuppetry sort of games if they are indeed genuinely consensual . . . informed pre-consent, that is . . . so please don’t misinterpret my response here. I just think it’s a really dick move to try to suck folks into one’s web this way.

I hope this has been informative.

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